混合比在对流凝结高度处为什么与起始条件不同?

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英文:

Why is mixing ratio at LCL not the same as for starting condition?

问题

我很新于metpy。作为第一个例子,我尝试计算温度为25℃,气压为950hPa,相对湿度为70%的空气气块的LCL。

首先,计算此空气的混合比为:

mr:      15.016493919350289 克/千克

然后,计算LCL为:

pLCL:    871.9597894290378 百帕斯卡
TLCL:    17.786684840244334 摄氏度

然后,我尝试计算从pLCL开始的各个高度的饱和等效位温和混合比。令人惊讶的是,在LCL处使用mixing_ratio_from_relative_humidity计算的混合比与原始气块的混合比不同。与再次得到mr=15.016493919350289克/千克不同,我得到了14.862703501798386克/千克。它不应该相同吗,因为在LCL时,相对湿度为100%,在干绝热升至LCL期间,混合比不能改变吗?

英文:

I'm very new to metpy. As a first example I tried to calculate the LCL of an air parcel with T=25°C, p=950hPa and relative humidity=70%.

First, the mixing ratio of this air is calculated to be

mr:      15.016493919350289 gram / kilogram

Afterwards, the LCL is calculated as:

pLCL:    871.9597894290378 hectopascal

TLCL:    17.786684840244334 degree_Celsius

Now, I tried to calculate saturation equivalent potential temperature and mixing_ratio for levels starting with pLCL. To my surprise, the mixing ratio, calculated with mixing_ratio_from_relative_humidity at the LCL differs from the mixing ratio of the original parcel. Instead of getting again mr=15.016493919350289 gram / kilogram I get 14.862703501798386 gram / kilogram. Shouldn't it be the same, because at LCL the relative humidity is 100% and during dry adiabatic rise to LCL mixing ratio cannot change?

There is a link to this question in: https://earthscience.stackexchange.com/questions/25188/why-is-mixing-ratio-at-lcl-not-the-same-as-for-starting-condition

from metpy.calc import dewpoint_from_relative_humidity
from metpy.calc import equivalent_potential_temperature
from metpy.calc import mixing_ratio_from_relative_humidity
from metpy.calc import equivalent_potential_temperature
from metpy.calc import lcl
from metpy.calc import moist_lapse
from metpy.calc import saturation_equivalent_potential_temperature


from metpy.units import units

p = 950 * units.hPa
T = 25 * units.degC
rh = 70 * units.percent

print('p:\t', p)
print('T:\t', T)
print('RF:\t', rh)

dp = dewpoint_from_relative_humidity(T, rh)

mr = mixing_ratio_from_relative_humidity(p, T, rh).to('g/kg')
print('mr:\t', mr)

ept = equivalent_potential_temperature(p, T, dp)
print('Θe :\t', ept.to(units.degC))

mylcl = lcl(p, T, dp)

plcl = mylcl[0]
tlcl = mylcl[1]
print('pLCL:\t', plcl)
print('TLCL:\t', tlcl)


plevs = [plcl.magnitude, 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300, 200, 100, 50, 25] * units.hPa

ml = moist_lapse(plevs, tlcl).to('degC')

print()
print('Moist adiabatic lift, starting from LCL')
print()
rh100 = 100 * units.percent
for idx in range(len(plevs)):
    p = plevs[idx]
    T = ml[idx]
    print('-------------------------------------------------------------')
    print('p:\t', p)
    print('T(p):\t', T)
    ept = saturation_equivalent_potential_temperature(plevs[idx], ml[idx])
    print('Θe(p):\t', ept.to(units.degC))
    mr = mixing_ratio_from_relative_humidity(p, T, rh100)
    print('mr:\t', mr.to('g/kg'))


p:       950 hectopascal
T:       25 degree_Celsius
RF:      70 percent
mr:      15.016493919350289 gram / kilogram
Θe :     73.59933073452271 degree_Celsius
pLCL:    871.9597894290378 hectopascal
TLCL:    17.786684840244334 degree_Celsius

Moist adiabatic lift, starting from LCL

-------------------------------------------------------------
p:       871.9597894290378 hectopascal
T(p):    17.786684840244334 degree_Celsius
Θe(p):   73.56266438016314 degree_Celsius
mr:      14.862703501798386 gram / kilogram <--- !!!!!!!
-------------------------------------------------------------
p:       800.0 hectopascal
T(p):    14.680478970030833 degree_Celsius
Θe(p):   73.7567612561337 degree_Celsius
mr:      13.254531670351966 gram / kilogram
-------------------------------------------------------------
p:       700.0 hectopascal
T(p):    9.70674918909208 degree_Celsius
Θe(p):   73.97100713514288 degree_Celsius
mr:      10.878278101841651 gram / kilogram
-------------------------------------------------------------
p:       600.0 hectopascal
T(p):    3.6628633969115754 degree_Celsius
Θe(p):   74.0966050124087 degree_Celsius
mr:      8.34266379949833 gram / kilogram
-------------------------------------------------------------
p:       500.0 hectopascal
T(p):    -4.036747412608861 degree_Celsius
Θe(p):   74.09741860835788 degree_Celsius
mr:      5.6959850509157075 gram / kilogram
-------------------------------------------------------------
p:       400.0 hectopascal
T(p):    -14.539107430252784 degree_Celsius
Θe(p):   73.9329618099161 degree_Celsius
mr:      3.10991709553994 gram / kilogram
-------------------------------------------------------------
p:       300.0 hectopascal
T(p):    -30.169336134705304 degree_Celsius
Θe(p):   73.61031144188621 degree_Celsius
mr:      1.043016676418755 gram / kilogram
-------------------------------------------------------------
p:       200.0 hectopascal
T(p):    -54.703600518566134 degree_Celsius
Θe(p):   73.32450117793161 degree_Celsius
mr:      0.11362204759565221 gram / kilogram
-------------------------------------------------------------
p:       100.0 hectopascal
T(p):    -93.72997677325506 degree_Celsius
Θe(p):   73.25906799180353 degree_Celsius
mr:      0.0005989154996261802 gram / kilogram
-------------------------------------------------------------
p:       50.0 hectopascal
T(p):    -125.96434978295119 degree_Celsius
Θe(p):   73.2583328918671 degree_Celsius
mr:      4.5360156886986637e-07 gram / kilogram
-------------------------------------------------------------
p:       25.0 hectopascal
T(p):    -152.4084163524267 degree_Celsius
Θe(p):   73.25830368606137 degree_Celsius
mr:      2.1998938295740055e-11 gram / kilogram

答案1

得分: 2

你没有分享如何计算第二个混合比值,但我假设它是mixing_ratio_from_relative_humidity(plcl, tlcl, 100 * units.percent)。无论如何,我认为这源于MetPy中相对湿度(因此饱和度)假设的不一致性,正如这个GitHub问题中所指出的。mixing_ratio_from_relative_humidity()的当前实现依赖于WMO的定义(因为这对于这个计算更直接),即RH = w / w_s(其中w是混合比,_s表示饱和状态下的量)。

另一方面,lcl()假设当环境水汽压力达到其饱和值时就达到了饱和状态。因此,在这种情况下,实际上使用的是RH = e / e_s的定义(其中e是水汽分压)--这是AMS词汇表中给出的定义,并且在很多其他软件中也使用,比如GEMPAK。

如果你改变初始值,使其经过使用AMS相对湿度定义的计算路径,你可以看到混合比的守恒:

Td = mpcalc.dewpoint_from_relative_humidity(T, rh)
mr = mpcalc.mixing_ratio(mpcalc.saturation_vapor_pressure(Td), p)

这给出了14.86 g/kg的值,并且还与LCL处的混合比相匹配:

mpcalc.mixing_ratio(mpcalc.saturation_vapor_pressure(tlcl), plcl)

在某个时候,我们将解决GitHub问题,并使内部保持一致,以避免这样的困扰。然而,应该指出的是,你的原始值在彼此之间的差异约为1%,所以我们并不谈论一个重大的差异。

英文:

You didn't share how you calculated the second mixing ratio value, but I assume it's mixing_ratio_from_relative_humidity(plcl, tlcl, 100 * units.percent). Regardless, I think this stems from an inconsistency in MetPy in how relative humidity (and thus saturation) is assumed, as noted in this GitHub issue. The current implementation of mixing_ratio_from_relative_humidity() relies upon the WMO definition (since it's more direct for this calculation), which is: RH = w / w_s (where w is mixing ratio and _s denotes the quantity at saturation.

lcl() on the other hand, assumes saturation is reached when the ambient water vapor pressure reaches its saturation value. So in this case, effectively using a definition of RH = e / e_s (where e is water vapor partial pressure)--the definition given by the AMS glossary and used in a lot of other software, like GEMPAK.

You can see the conservation of mixing ratio if you change your initial value to go through a computation path that uses the AMS definition of RH:

Td = mpcalc.dewpoint_from_relative_humidity(T, rh)
mr = mpcalc.mixing_ratio(mpcalc.saturation_vapor_pressure(Td), p)

which gives the 14.86 g/kg value, and also then matches the mixing ratio at the LCL:

mpcalc.mixing_ratio(mpcalc.saturation_vapor_pressure(tlcl), plcl)

At some point we'll resolve the GitHub issue and make things internally consistent to avoid confusion like this. It should be noted, though, that your original values are within ~1% of each other, so we're not talking about a significant discrepancy.

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